tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post2900583027538229041..comments2024-01-06T19:03:20.285-08:00Comments on Blue Sky Disney: In Betweeners...Honor Hunterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05346050126873050983noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-21129553117775667612010-06-22T05:36:10.432-07:002010-06-22T05:36:10.432-07:00That's right! It's not over!
To those of ...That's right! It's not over!<br /><br />To those of you still dissing TPatF, Lassetter, Bolt, etc., PLEASE STOP IT AT ONCE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-30325157028628186692010-06-21T09:22:57.913-07:002010-06-21T09:22:57.913-07:00WDFA has been in this position before. They've...WDFA has been in this position before. They've managed to save themselves before. It may not happen all at once but the doubters will always come out ready to throw in the towel and say it's over.<br /><br />It aint over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-27553187643010271352010-06-21T09:03:29.412-07:002010-06-21T09:03:29.412-07:00After watching "The Princess and the Frog&quo...After watching "The Princess and the Frog" yesterday, I was also disappointed. The technique was certainly there. It was a beautiful film. The music was excellent, but not memorable. The story was a huge letdown. The focus on her being a waitress and later a restaurant owner was a big downgrade of the princess meme. They have to do better next time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-16512329537301521982010-06-21T07:47:14.531-07:002010-06-21T07:47:14.531-07:00Bolt was a good and fun moive! The Studios are not...Bolt was a good and fun moive! The Studios are not going to close. Most movies make a Profit when you factor in Merchandise, DVD'S ext ext. Remeber overseas most of these movies do really well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-23602135714128454342010-06-21T04:16:19.311-07:002010-06-21T04:16:19.311-07:00Well maybe John Lasseter is the problem.... You ma...Well maybe John Lasseter is the problem.... You may recall "Bolt" was originally the Chris Sanders project "American Dog". From the concept art and work I had seen it looked extremeley promising but then Lasseter came in and pushed out Sanders. It's not all bad because it meant we got "How To Train Your Dragon" from Dreamworks but Sanders was a huge talent to lose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-16904993270569766762010-06-20T20:50:57.019-07:002010-06-20T20:50:57.019-07:00What's happening to the marketing department??...What's happening to the marketing department??? Those guys need help... The princess and the frog trailer was horrible! It showed you the entire movie. By just looking at it you learned that:<br /><br />- Tiana WAS not a princess (you see her as a poor little girl; working in a restaurant; using the public transport)...<br />- A "witch doctor" transformed Naveen into a frog.<br />- You learned what happened AFTER the kiss!!! (the movie's biggest plot turn revealed in the trailer!!!!)<br />- You saw the scene when they transform back into humans!!!!!<br />- You even saw them getting married!!!<br /><br />What the hell?!!!<br /><br />First you have a trailer that shows you the entire movie, and then you have one (Tangled) that shows you nothing (and even manages to make the movie look as silly as a Disney Channel show (Wizards of Weaverly, Sunny with a chance, and the list goes on and on and on)... Or perhaps that's the demographic they're aming for...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-43243895732418220052010-06-20T08:00:43.525-07:002010-06-20T08:00:43.525-07:00TPatF WAS a mediocre film. I was very disappointed...TPatF WAS a mediocre film. I was very disappointed with it. It was generic '90's Disney without the wit and magic that elevated '90's films like Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King. It had a weak story and a tepid moral and lousy songs, the sole exception being "Almost There" which was almost good. The script was strictly by-the-book formula film-making. And NONE of the characters really stood out. In fact most of them were annoying, especially Charlotte and that fat unfunny alligator. If the story had focused on Tiana (who was a decent lead character, if not exactly Belle-level) and the firefly, just those two, the story would have been much stronger. But of course we had to have a "prince" and two animal sidekicks (neither of which were exactly Timon and Pumbaa). And turning Tiana into a frog for much of the movie was a major blunder. Her personality disappeared under that bland frog design. All in PatF was a creative flop IMO. Hopefully Tangled will be better. These days, all we true Disney fans have to live on IS hope...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-33134660274290408902010-06-19T22:03:56.999-07:002010-06-19T22:03:56.999-07:00As I understand it..a follow up to Prep and Landin...As I understand it..a follow up to Prep and Landing will await the Tangled crew once that films wraps..<br /><br />That will give them work for a bit at least..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-66474871512615054662010-06-19T21:10:16.423-07:002010-06-19T21:10:16.423-07:00Bolt was a good film, but it was marketed and sche...Bolt was a good film, but it was marketed and scheduled terribly. Its frustrating that marketing forces so many bad decisions on WDAS (ex: Rapunzel changed to Tangled) but then to make matters worse they do an awful job of actually marketing the product (ex: the trailer for Tangled and that annoying and generic new "Disney" label they add to all movie titles now). Disney marketing used to be the best in the business...what happened?Doopeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04810664293028014984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-56777643325297555822010-06-19T14:11:59.969-07:002010-06-19T14:11:59.969-07:00"I suspect Chris Sander's American Dog wo..."I suspect Chris Sander's American Dog would have had a very strong unified look and story"<br /><br />I saw the story reels for American Dog and I can assure you that "unified story" is exactly the opposite of what was on the screen. That movie was a freaking mess story wise. Yes, it had some interesting characters and interesting visuals, but the plot wandered aimlessly all over the place.<br /><br />Bolt made just over $300 million world wide and did not turn a profit (not even close). The Princess and the Frog made around $270 million world wide and turned a small profit. This includes DVD and merchandise sales for both movies. That's what setting a low budget can do for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-63441956765252813342010-06-19T14:01:02.235-07:002010-06-19T14:01:02.235-07:00Anonymous #2, your utter pessimism is NOT welcome ...Anonymous #2, your utter pessimism is NOT welcome here!<br /><br />Anonymous #3, to say that Bolt and TPatF were mediocre films is a MAJOR offense! The earth could swallow you whole for saying something as stupid as that!<br /><br />Aksel, WDAS is NOT going to shut down again and you know that it's not!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-60160072735742210712010-06-19T12:08:59.432-07:002010-06-19T12:08:59.432-07:00"Walt Disney Animation is what started it all..."Walt Disney Animation is what started it all."<br /><br />And it simply does not have it anymore. Disney faltered at a time when Pixar was popping up and Pixar has now taken its place. Disney will NOT be able to recover from this. The reason they bought Pixar was because they knew this...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-75580304646508624892010-06-18T23:32:50.404-07:002010-06-18T23:32:50.404-07:00Pixar is where WDFA was through the 90's. It&#...Pixar is where WDFA was through the 90's. It'll be interesting to see how long they can hold onto their reign. <br /><br />In all honesty as bad as things look. I can't see Disney closing down their Animation Studio. Remember what happened when they were ready to move over to CGI and pronounced Hand Drawn Animaton Dead. Fans of Walt Disney are not to be taken lightly. If the Walt Disney company truly tried to write-off and close their Animation Studio, it would surely be career suicide for anyone involved. <br /><br />Pixar is great, but Walt Disney Animation is what started it all.Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-66948257516992440062010-06-18T21:52:43.058-07:002010-06-18T21:52:43.058-07:00I think that the public is still learning to trust...I think that the public is still learning to trust Disney Animation again.<br />It seems that most people have blind faith in Pixar at this point, even if the film looks like a stinker to them, they will still go see it because the Pixar has never done them wrong. Unlike Disney...Hence why people may have trouble trusting them.<br /><br />Perhaps it would help if more people knew that John Lasseter is the chief executive officer at Disney Animation. I don't think enough people know that fact.- Of course, there are also some people who love Pixar films but don't even know who John Lasseter is. (Sad but true)<br /><br />I loved Bolt and I really enjoyed The Princess and the Frog.<br /><br />To be honest, if they are looking for a project they might just consider developing a sequel to Bolt. The film was good after all, and it has gained more love since it has been released on DVD. Everyone whom I have personally talked to has liked the film. <br /><br />I know that it didn't do as well as hoped. It was only because of that Twilight movie driving teens to the theater thanks to the film being filled with good-looking people, but on Thanksgiving weekend Bolt was able to move above Twilight on the box office list.<br />As long as they take the time to develop a good story I really think that a Bolt sequel would work out.<br /><br />(PLEASE DO NOT FLAME ME) :)<br /><br />I am interesting in seeing Tangled, but I am honestly getting a little tired of fairy tales. And perhaps the public feels the same way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-22186558514601072782010-06-18T21:29:27.634-07:002010-06-18T21:29:27.634-07:00the ship is turning - get ready.the ship is turning - get ready.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-1115758791705581512010-06-18T21:19:24.356-07:002010-06-18T21:19:24.356-07:00A couple of comments:
BOLT really overachieved in...A couple of comments:<br /><br />BOLT really overachieved internationally ($195m) and likely was a profitable film ($300m WWBO film, factoring in all future revenues).<br /><br />While PRINCESS AND THE FROG was a disappointment, product tied to the property was one of the big sellers for Disney in recent years.<br /><br />As I understand it, both these films did relatively well as far as DVD sales, given the overall deterioration of the market. I liked both films too personally.<br /><br />No question that Disney Animation isn't what it once was, but neither of these films were utter financial disasters. HOME ON THE RANGE, ATLANTIS and particularly TREASURE PLANET (Disney took ~$70m write down on that film alone)were. BROTHER was better, but also likely unprofitable. LILO is the only exception and even so, was hardly a success on the scale of even lesser Disney 90's films like POCAHONTAS or MULAN (in adjusted dollars).<br /><br />Bear in mind too that Lasseter was probably stuck with MEET THE ROBINSONS (and BOLT) because too much treasure was already sunk into them.<br /><br />So in my mind, Lasseter deserves credit for at least stopping the bleeding and beyond that, taken creative risks (making a 2D classic Disney 'princess' film).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-8262170805685026602010-06-18T19:32:36.628-07:002010-06-18T19:32:36.628-07:00... Pooh will be profitable, but still will be see...... Pooh will be profitable, but still will be seen like a flop.<br /><br />"American Dog" would have been undoubtedly an incredible success. Sadly we are looking forward to HTTYDragon 2 (the sequel to the hit) instead Bolt 2... Is Pixar helping WDAS, or is shamelessly replacing it?.Akselnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-91454691265332648472010-06-18T18:05:09.065-07:002010-06-18T18:05:09.065-07:00I'm very afraid they are preparing the way to ...I'm very afraid they are preparing the way to shut down WDAS. All the talent of Pixar is not John Lasseter, if he remains ruling WDAS without help, the Mouse is in danger... because John always will care about his son Pixar first, particularly now when they are making risky sequels.Akselnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-41622520837243132652010-06-18T16:03:43.982-07:002010-06-18T16:03:43.982-07:00Bolt and PATF were both mediocre films. They were ...Bolt and PATF were both mediocre films. They were much stronger than Treasure Planet and Home on the Range but people don't enjoy films based on how much better they were than other films. A great film generates word of mouth, despite whatever other films are opening the same weekend. Blockbuster competition cannot kill a Disney animated films. Disney is unique in that it's films can have a great value to the company beyond the opening weekend. PATF may not have had the huge numbers they wanted, but I think it's hit enough of a note with kids that the merch and stuff will not let it be forgotten, as opposed to films like Home on the Range or Pocahontas. However, something like Bolt (which did better box office didn't it?) was just sort of a one time thing. It was super contemporary, likeable but not amazing. There was virtually no merchandise. I'm not saying that merchandise keepps a film's legacy alive, but it's certainly a good barometer of an audiences emotional attachment to the film. In short, blaming the competition a film had to deal with is only looking at the short term. A film with great legs will prove to be more valuable in the long run, and a film that is quickly forgotten, well, should be. <br /><br />I would dearly love to see some evidence of Lasseter's keen sense of story surface in a WDFA film, cause I haven't yet. But it's important to remember that these films are made by several people. It will take several people with great ideas working well together to get a great film made. John's the gatekeeper (among other things) on whether it gets made. I suspect Chris Sander's American Dog would have had a very strong unified look and story, despite the culture at WDFA at the time. Disney needs more Directors and artists like that, who can take the reins and give the world something unexpected. It probably wouldn't have happened under the old regime. We can only hope that it will under Lasseter. But to say it's his fault is just like saying he's stifling fantastic films that people at WDFA are trying to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-75893795470656400742010-06-18T15:04:23.249-07:002010-06-18T15:04:23.249-07:00How many is a handful? You say literally, couldn&...How many is a handful? You say literally, couldn't you just give the number?Pixie Arrhhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-75928897242148155662010-06-18T14:22:46.137-07:002010-06-18T14:22:46.137-07:00I've been saying it on here since PatF was dow...I've been saying it on here since PatF was downplayed by Disney itself, the new renaissance of Disney is NOT happening.<br /><br />Honor, you've been playing on this for years, going on about Disneys triumphant return to animation etc. etc. and how it would be amazing. Well, it hasn't happened, and every single thing since PatF has pointed to it not happening.<br /><br />All we're watching is an attempt that is spiraling down the toilet.<br /><br />Disney itself knows this, thus why they're not really giving any of the new films a proper chance.<br /><br />After Tangled does ok, Winnie the Pooh doing terrible, Reboot Ralph being disasterous, and all the animators leaving for other jobs, I can see Disney animation being boiled down into nothing more than a small group of people producing gimmicky cartoon shorts to be put in front of Pixar films.<br /><br />Put that in your head... doesn't seem so unbelievable does it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-45796834596989682212010-06-18T14:21:10.628-07:002010-06-18T14:21:10.628-07:00Maybe WDAS would do better if its films received b...Maybe WDAS would do better if its films received better release dates. Bolt went up against Twilight. Princess and the Frog opened days away from Avatar. Tangled and Pooh will open against Harry Potter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5244647450237014911.post-19754985576817620012010-06-18T12:58:37.697-07:002010-06-18T12:58:37.697-07:00Really enjoyed reading this.
On the topic of the...Really enjoyed reading this. <br /><br />On the topic of the Mouse regaining it's glory. It won't be easy. I recently watched Chicken Little for the first time, and I have to say the Opening Sequence was by far one of the most damaging things to Walt Disney's Legacy I've seen. It basically told the audience that everything of Walt Disney's past is not worth the time or money anymore and Satire will be/is what they need.<br /><br />After watching that, it finally clicked with me why the Mouse is struggling so hard. They basically destroyed their legacy in the 3 minute opening of Chicken Little.JValdezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09267961754068865444noreply@blogger.com